Question
My furnace blower is operating continously regardless of the
thermostat temperature postion ( or thermostat fan switch postion
either) . The burner controls seem th operate as far as delivering
heat properly wtih termostat settings. Stuck fan relay or what ? -
Could someone give me a little troubleshooting help here ? – Than ks
The system is a 1998 model Goodman ( don’t bash me – it came with the
house ).
This is Turtle.
I see this every once in a while on the janitrol/goodman gas furnaces. It is
the relay board problem. There is a white relay attach to the board on the
top right hand corner that sticks , which is to control the fan fuctions.
This would be the problem 90% of the time , but 10% of the time it can be
coming from other problems. # 1 Defective thermostat still calling for fan
in off mode. # 2 Wired up wrong or a shorted wire in 24 volt lines. You can
remove control wire from furnace to alimanate the thermostat and a short by
doing this. Do remove power before working on this furnace if your a do it
yourselfer.
Now you said it was a 1998 model and if that’s the case. It is still under
the all free parts for the first 5 years of service. You will have to have a
service company that will warrent Goodman parts to get the free parts.
Answers
Thanks Turtle. I’ll double check the mfg date and contact a
contractor who deals with Goodman / Janitrol .
BTW- just in case- Is the relay removable ( soldered or not ? ) to
the control board and I’am curious if there is an aftermarket
universal replacement for this board
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