Question
We are buying a new house, and, in our current house we just purchased an
air conditioner/furnace that has a humidifier (we live in Denver) and an
ultraviolet light to clean the air.
In our new house, we’re also getting a humidifier, but, they don’t offer the
ultraviolet lamp, but, do offer an electrostatic air filter. Since I have
asthma and my wife has sinus problems, we are thinking of getting it.
I’ve read here that the various electrostatic air cleaners that are
stand-alone are actually worse for asthma, due to the ozone. What about one
in central air?
Thanks!
Answers
I think you’re referring to what’s known as an electrostatic precipitator.
These are the large, bulky units mounted on the furnace’s return air plenum.
You remove the pre-filter screens and the cells about every 4 weeks to clean
them. These units are normally referred to as “electronic air cleaners”.
An electrostatic filter simply replaces your furnace’s one-inch filter.
Some are okay, some are crap. 3M makes a disposable version which a few of
the allergists around here, (Ottawa, Ontario — furnaces get used a lot in
our climate for both heating and A/C), recommend. It’s disposable, but does
a pretty good job. The 3M filter might cost you $12 to $15 or so. The
permanent versions, and there are a lot of manufacturers, shouldn’t cost you
more than about $40 to $60. They’ll last you a few years with religious
cleaning, but there are a lot of scam artists, including a lot of heating
and A/C contractors and duct cleaners who will charge up to $300 to $400.
Don’t get ripped off.
Electronic air cleaners have been around over 50 years now, and are still
the best way to filter the air going through your furnace. Here in Canada,
there’s a federal gov’t organization called the “Canada Mortgage and Housing
Corporation”. They do a lot of research into home building, renovation,
healthy homes, air quality, and the like. They have a website which I’ll
try to dig up tomorrow if you’re interested. Four or five years ago, they
did a study on all the different types of furnace filtration systems. The
electronic air cleaner was far and away the clear winner.
When an electronic air cleaner has clean cells, there’s really no lower
limit to the particle size it can capture. That’s the good news. The bad
news is the cells will get dirty enough in a few hours of running to greatly
reduce it’s efficiency at capturing small particles. It’s the only type of
furnace filter whose efficiency decreases as it get dirty.
One caveat about the study, though. It was done strictly with a viewpoint
of filtering efficiency; not taking allergies or asthma into account. It
does however, mention the fact that electronic air cleaners normally produce
small amounts of ozone. If the unit ever goes out of whack, it can put out
so much ozone that it can be overwhelming. Not a good thing for anybody,
especially with asthma and sinus problems in the house. Even the trace
amounts of ozone a properly-running unit emits is enough for a lot of folks
I know with severe asthma to have stopped using it.
One system worth looking at are the high-efficiency, deep-pleated media
filters. They get installed on your furnace the same way as an electronic
air cleaner, but rather than being electrically powered, they use a large
cartridge about 4 or 5 inches deep, with close-together pleats to filter.
Most heating and A/C contractors carry one or two brands. (Honeywell,
Aprilaire, Spacegard, White-Rogers, etc.) They’re not quite as efficient as
an electronic air cleaner, but then again, there’s no ozone.
Whatever you do, don’t get suckered into buying a HEPA system for your
furnace. HEPA will do a good job in a stand-alone air cleaner in a specific
room, but the furnace systems, no matter who makes them, are junk. They’re
all bypass systems; because HEPA is such a dense filter material, if you try
to filter all the return air going to your furnace, you will starve the
furnace fan for air. The furnace’s safety system kicks in, and will shut
down the furnace. That’s why the central HEPA systems only filter 30% to
40%, (depending on manufacturer), of the return air. You still would need
something very good in place right on the furnace. Also, they’re
ridiculously expensive, and you have to change the expensive filters on most
of them at least once a year.
It really is worth doing a lot of research into this. It is your health,
after all. And relying on a salesman’s or manufacturer’s recommendation is
not always in your best interest.
By the way, the ultraviolet systems are not filters. They do, however,
usually kill biological things like mold, bacteria, and virus, as long as
those organisms pass through the lamps field. Ultraviolet lamps also
generally emit slight amounts of ozone, and much more when they don’t have
any organisms to “work” on.
I apologize for the long post, but I really hate seeing people get taken to
the cleaners when it comes to their health. Good luck, Bill.
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